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News-July 1, 2002-HoG gathers in Milwaukee! ( with pics )

This past weekend, several members of HoG gathered in the greater Milwaukee area. Rock and Chrysana flew in together and were promptly whisked away to the Lakefront Brewery for a tour, free beer and dinner. Next, they were taken to a secret location to consume mass amounts of alcohol. This location is known as The Safehouse, a bar hidden from veiw with a James Bond/Sixties Cold War theme. You even have to know the password to enter or you must perform silly acts embarassing yourself before the management will let you enter. We, of course, neglected to mention this to Rock and Chrysana, who looked quite interesting riding their imaginary ponies and dancing. The rest of us were , of course, safely inside, watching on closed circuit TV and laughing uncontrolably.

Rock was given the proper Hail to the Cheif, when later in the evening, the Safehouse staff whisked him away to the basement for questioning. He was eventually raised into the bar through the floor on a throne with Hail to the Cheif playing. He seemed pretty happy about it.

The following day, we all met up at Naga-Waukee State Park for an all day cookout. Ramious prepared Beer Brats, burgers and hot dogs for everyone and later in the day we were lucky enough to have Dreffen and his Mom, Isolden, arrive. Some HoG that still play UO even showed up ( Mew and Quisinart ) Hopefully, we've convinced them to move over and join us in UO.

from left to right:
Front row: Rock, Droma and Vidis neice, Samantha ( the original UO Mew hehe ), Chrysana, Vidi with his nephew Jakob ( He's HoG :The next generation )
Back Row: Dreffen, Ramious, Khalidor, Thogan, Gicod, Isolden, Topher, Rygar/Mew ( of Uo, not DAoC ), Quisinart ( also still UO ), Armorvaig, and Droma/Haitys.

-Vidi

News-June 11, 2002- Character copier now on Pendragon

The Pendragon ( Test server ) character copier is now live.You use the same method for copying that was posted for the Modred Test server.

Here's the directions:

1) You can only copy one character to each test server.

2) This is a copy, not a move. Your character will still exist, unchanged, on the "live" server that it is copied from.

3) Your inventory and vault does not copy over. Your equipped items and gold do. We realize that this hinders crafters and some classes that require multiple items (such as bards and minstrels) but unfortunately it is necessary to hinder guilds from "duping" items during the copy process.

4) Your last name and guild affiliation are cleared. Your realm points, bounty points, and realm skills remain.

Detailed instructions (note: the in-game instructions are currently wrong and will be changed shortly)

Step 1:

Create a character on the test server (Pendragon or Mordred). This reserves the name that your copied character will use on Pendragon/Mordred. Note that your original name may already be taken. It must be in the same realm as the character you are copying. However the placeholder does NOT need to have the same name, race or class as the character being copied. The ONLY attribute of the 1st level character that will remain is its name.

Step 2:

Log in to your new 1st level character and type the following:

/charcopy Lancelot Myname

Replace "Lancelot" with the name of the live server the character you are copying resides on. Replace "Myname" with the name of the live server character you are copying.

Step 3:

Log off the level 1 character (you may play another character while you wait). After a random period of time up to 12 hours, your live character will be copied to the test server.

You will receive an email, either notifying you of a successful character copy, or telling you that the copy failed and giving you a reason for the failure. Make sure that the email address your character is registered to is up to date!

So copy away!

-Vidi

News-June 2, 2002-Mythic interveiw reveals a few details about the exapansion!

Homelan interveiwed Matt Frior ( wonder if he plays a friar?) of Mythic and posted the dialogue. While very few, some details were revealed concerning the upcoming expansion, Shrouded Isles.

Take a look for yourself here.

-Vidi

News-May , 2002- Alliance!

After much debate and soul searching, Hunters of Glory has entered into the Forn Sidr Alliance. It was felt that the guilds in this alliance ( and more specifically, several individual players ) would best suit us as allies.

Guilds in this alliance are:

FornSidr

Mithral Hammer

Knights of Midgard

Fluffy Bunny Clan

Heavy Equipment Operators

You can veiw the Forn Sidr webpage here.

Contact Gicod, our alliance officer, or Vidi for the password to the alliance forum located there.

A link will also be added to our links page.

-Vidi

News-May 18 23, 2002- Updating will now continue

The pause in updating this site over the last month has now come to an end. There has been a few important changes to the game since the last update.

-Realm abilities are in. You recieve 10 points for each rank you have achieved ( rank 2 and up )and 1 point per level. For example, a rank one, level two character would have 2 points and a rank 4 level 6 character would have 36 points.

-Style canceling and style back-ups are in as well. You can now cancel a style by hitting your hotkey a second time. Unfortunately, holding the hotkey too long will also trigger a style to cancel, so you'll need to be careful. Style back-ups are used to back-up an opening required style. For example, let's say you have a style that requires a block. You hit that hotkey first, then back it up with another style. If you do not block, the game will then switch to your back up style and use it. I find it best to back up opening required styles with no opening styles that way at least one goes off. If you choose to back up the opening required style with another opening required style and neither opening happens you are then left with a failed style which uses endurance but hits as if you had used no style at all.

-SITE CHANGE: I've added a tools section to the site. there you will find direct links to the character builder and the Emblem Preveiwer from Catacombs ,the Realm Skill Configurer, a program for offline character planning, A Realm Skill calculator and a Stat calculator. Enjoy!

-I am also adding a link to the realm skill descriptions on the links page soon.

-Lastly, look for a change to this site soon! More info to come.

-Vidi

News-April 23, 2002- Realm Rank Abilities announced!!!

OH...MY...GOD!

yes, it's true. the new abilities have been announced. And they ROCK!

Go HERE to read all about them. You won't be disappointed.

-Vidi

News-April 16, 2002- New guild site links added

I added links to several other guild sites in our links area. If you know of a guild site that you want added either post the link in the forum, or email me at Cybrrgeek@yahoo.com with the link.

-Vidi

News-April 13,2002-Several new things.

ITEM-Ever wonder where your skald stands in the realm war against all the other skalds on Gawaine?
Well now you can find out. Ive added a link to the site on our links page. Check it out.

ITEM-Want to know who has control of Darkness falls without logging in?

Mythic has added a banner on the keep status page of each server to show who currently holds the entrance.
Just scroll down the page and you can't miss it.

ITEM-PvP server rules announced!

Here is what we know so far:

1) No Realm affiliations. Players are free to join groups, guilds and alliances with any member of any other Realm. Players of all races can communicate freely with one another.

2) Wide open PvP. Any player can attack any other player that is not in their group, guild, or alliance.

3) Players will get experience for killing other players. There will be a death penalty as well; details on that will be released later.

4) Relics will be controlled by Guilds/Alliances, not by Realms. Guilds/Alliances can store any Relic controlled by them in any Outpost they control.

5) Players can shop at any store, although they will not be able to use items that require skills they don't have. They can, however, sell loot at any store.

6) Travel between the Realms will be faster and easier to do.

7) Darkness Falls will be open to all players at all times.

8) Capital Cities will be safe areas. You will be able to exit Capital Cities to many destinations besides the current gates.

9) You will be given a small time of PvP immunity after zoning or entering the game. You will also be given a small time of immunity after you resurrect at a bindstone (which is obviated if you attack anyone in that time).

10) Players under 10th level have a "PvP" flag that can be permanently removed at any time - if the flag is set, you cannot attack other players or be attacked while in your Realm's home zones.

ITEM-Lastly, Mythic posted an essay on MoB behavior evetryone should be aware of.

“One of the lesser-known features of some of our monsters is the engage radius. This is a radius defined on a case-by-case basis with specific monsters that we want to keep within an area. For example, the dragons have an engage radius that pretty much encompasses their lairs. If not out on patrol, they will stay within their lair and cannot be pulled from there.

You can often get the monster in question right to the edge of that radius. However, if you a standing even one step outside that radius, the monster will begin to "dodge your blow" (both for ranged and melee attacks). Your character’s body must be inside that radius for the dodging to stop. This is there to prevent people from abusing the fact that the monster cannot physically get to them. Also, most monsters with an engage radius set will have some sort of ranged attack (spells, breath weapon, etc.) that they will use if everyone they were fighting has left the area. The ranged attack is also there to minimize abuse of the system.

The reasoning for giving some monsters these radii vary. For example, one of the newest creatures, Legion, will not go much farther than the bottom of his steps. We limited him to this distance mostly because of his size, and we wanted to keep him away from the pillars that are in his room.

There are currently a couple of minor items that have cropped up relating to the engage radius that may have caused some confusion to players. Those items are:

1. Some forces are able to get a monster such that its back is up against the engage radius. When in this position, a large monster may try to adjust its melee distance against those who are too close by taking a couple steps backwards. In doing this, it is slowly pushed out of its engage radius (which is defined by its spawn point). If the monster gets pushed all the way out of that radius, it will dodge everything. The programmers are looking in to this. In the meantime, if you know a monster you are fighting has an engage radius, try to keep it in the center of its area, if possible.
2. There are a few monsters/npcs, such as the RvR gatekeepers, are not meant to be killed. These monsters will also give you “monsterX swifly dodges your blow” as a message. It is very similar to the message you receive with the engage radius monsters. We will change this message to make it less confusing to players.”

-Vidi

News-April 04, 2002-Darkness Falls SCREENSHOTS!

I snuck into darkness Falls today on Pendragon and took a very short look around. Level 2 rogues wont last long there.
Go HERE to see the screens.

-Vidi

News-April 04, 2002-A few site changes.

Some minor changes to report.

- It seemed unimportant to maintain a membership page when Mythic was doing it for us ( and better I might add ) so I deleted our membership page and moved the Herald Hog page to its place. From now on, the Membership link will take us directly to our Herald Guildpage.

- Redid the links page with more description of what each site offers. Please take the time to visit each of these sites yourselves as these sites have taught me ALOT. If you have a favorite DAoC site thats not currently listed, feel free to post a link on the forum and Ill try to add it to our link page soon.

-Vidi

News-April 2, 2002- 1.49 Patch notes-Darkness Falls is coming!

NEW THINGS AND BUG FIXES

- Groups now get more Realm Points when killing other players. A full group of 8 people gets a 100% bonus - 12.5% per person in the group.

- The range that Realm Points are awarded for group members has been doubled from 4000 to 8000 units.

- When forming a guild or purchasing/changing an emblem, the group leader's cash display is now updated properly.

- Guild promotion/demotion now shows immediately on the player's interface. Previously, it was not updated until the player logged off and back on.

- Changes to rank titles now show up in the listing.

- Monsters will no longer become "unrooted" when the character casting the root is healed by another player.

- You can now change your guild's emblem one time only. It costs 100 gold.

- Very long falls in a dungeon now result in a player's immediate death.

- You can now raise above 1000 in your tradeskills.

- You now see a message when using an item.

- You can no longer cast charm on other players.

SPELL SYSTEM CHANGES

We have gone through all spells and graphical spell effects to make them consistent and more easily identifiable. Please note that these changes are in appearance only - the actual effectiveness of the spells have not been changed, just their icons and graphics. Because of this, you will notice that the graphical effects and/or icons for your spells may have changed. We realize that this change will cause some confusion, but it's much more consistent than it was previously, and you'll be able to identify all spells on sight.

DARKNESS FALLS

A new dungeon makes its debut in this version of Dark Age of Camelot: the subterranean land of the infernal known as Darkness Falls. Populated by Demons, Imps, and other hellish creatures, Darkness Falls is an immense sprawling underground kingdom dominated by the arch-demon Legion.

Accessing Darkness Falls

Any character brave (or foolish) enough to want to explore Darkness Falls will have to find one of the portals that have been put in each Realm's home zone. Additionally, there are portals in each Realm's Relic Keeps. Please note that Darkness Falls is attuned to the power of each Realm - only those members of the Realm that hold more territory than the others are allowed entry. In order to activate your Realm's portal, your Realm must hold more frontier keeps (Outposts) than either of the other two Realms.

PLEASE NOTE THAT FOR TESTING ON PENDRAGON, HOME ZONE PORTALS CAN ACCESS DARKNESS FALLS WITHOUT REGARD TO FRONTIER KEEP STATUS. This is to ensure that the dungeon is tested. When Darkness Falls goes to the live servers, the keep requirement will be reinstated. To test frontier keep effect on the portals, use the portals located in the Relic Keeps (which are affected by frontier keep status).

Please note that you can only use portals located in your Realm, not an enemy Realm.

In the dungeon there are several different exits that take you different places based on your realm.

Each realm has a wing in which they enter the dungeon, Near each entrance (a couple rooms away) is an exit that will take the 'home' realm to back to their home region, but will take 'enemies' to their portal keep in the opposing frontier. Thus, a Midgard player going through Albion's exit portal will end up in Hadrian's Wall in the Midgard portal keep, while an Albion player going through Albion's exit will end up near the dungeon entrance portal in Camelot Hills.

Darkness Falls has many sub-bosses in addition to Legion, the main boss of the dungeon. Each boss encounter has an exit portal nearby that takes each realm to their home zone.

Near the center of the dungeon (near the transition to the lower level) is a portal that takes each realm to their home zone.

When you are in Darkness Falls and another Realm takes control of the portals, you can stay in the underworld until you exit (via a portal) or /release on death. This means that while adventuring in Darkness Falls, please be aware that you will probably run into members of opposing Realms. RvR combat is fully supported in the underworld, so beware. When portal control changes from one Realm to another, those members of the original Realm that had control are still able to adventure throughout Darkness Falls, so long as they don't release on death. As long as they are ressurected on death by a friendly healer-type that is with them, they can stay in Darkness Falls for as long as they want.

The Political Situation in Darkness Falls

The demons residing within Darkness Falls adhere to a strict structural hierarchy that is based on the power of the demon. The most powerful of the demons have titles and underlings who serve them. Of all the demons in the Darkness Falls, no group is physically weaker or smaller than the Picullus Imps. Because they are so small and weak, the larger, nastier demons take pleasure in harassing them or make them do menial labor. Like small fish that live in the sea, the Picullus Imps have learned to survive by gathering together around their siblings and relatives and hiding out as far away from the big demons as they can.

While they may be small and weak, the Picullus have learned to use their small size to their advantage, perfecting the art of sneaking and infiltrating. Since they are unable to fight back against the large demons physically, they have found other ways to extract their revenge…by stealing away anything and everything they can from the big demons. Fortunately for them, the demons never even think that the imps are clever enough (or brave enough) to try something so foolish as to raid the demons’ hordes.

The imps never use anything that they steal, and unfortunately for them, the one thing that they covet above all else is something they cannot get on their own. Each demon possesses a seal, a center of focus that is a part of the demon. There are different types of seals, which are determined by the power of the demons. The seals are shiny, and the shinier they are, the more they are desired by the imps. The unfortunate part is that they can only be obtained upon the death of a demon, something the imps are incapable of doing.

Unlike most demons, the imps do not dislike humanity. In fact, they tend to like just about anyone who won’t hurt them. The Picullus Imps have learned to obtain that which they covet by offering up their stolen goods to those who would kill the greater demons and bring back their seals. The different types of seals carry different value in the eyes of the imps, and the imps will barter for them like money. So by accumulating a lot of seals, one could potentially acquire many items of value.

Darkness Falls Loot System

Darkness Falls uses a different set of rules for the acquisition of loot. The common denizens of this dungeon drop magic items but they are not the ones you usually see. There are various types of jewel-like seals that can be found. You will likely find more of them on the powerful demons and lords.

There are imps that want the seals. The stealthy imps have stolen a lot of treasure from the demons and will offer it in return for the different types of magical seals. The imps could not steal the seals from the powerful demons in the dungeon, and will gladly trade you their items for your seals.

When trading, seals are deducted from your inventory as you barter with the imps. Different imps want different magic seals so check with all of them. When you speak with the imp he will tell you what type of magical seal he wants. Any items from that imp will require the correct type of seal. There is a value next to each item in the store window, which is its cost in seals.

Note: this method allows for very even loot distribution in groups, but keep in mind you cannot unstack items, so be careful when you decide to stack them.

WORLD NOTES

Albion World:

Mootang should no longer be displayed as "the Mootang".

Lyonesse: The pygmy goblin sapper and bombardier were correctly set up as uncharmable, and now they are now properly displaying as uncharmable humanoids.

Basilisks and cockatrices will now have a stun-like ability. They were trying to use an ability that had no effect on players previously.

Golestandt's allies will heal less frequently.

Midgard World:

Vanern and Muspelheim: You will no longer need to be right on top of the Jotuns in Vanern or the Fire Giants in Muspelheim to hit them.

Vanern: Reduced the Hagbui’s defensive abilities and hit points to balance their improved spell powers and special abilities.

Vanern: Mokkurvalve’s shards will now be slightly aggressive.

Gotar: The crabs on the beaches should no longer be "too far away to attack" upon spawning.

Gjalpinulva's allies will heal less frequently.

Hibernia World:

Cuuldurach's allies will heal less frequently.

There were certain conditions where a some monsters in Keltoi dungeon would not respawn. Now they will respawn slowly under those conditions (as opposed to not at all).

The monsters in Muire Tomb should now be correctly displaying their adjectives. "a mummy hag" vs. "mummy hag"

Quests:

Midgard: A new troll named Trustan has moved into Huginfell from Myrkwood. He fled in a hurry to due problems with the arachites, svartalfs, and werewolves and could use some help with a few problems he is still having. He and his friend Atzar know quite a bit about the three groups and are willing to share their information.

Albion: Although the rumors have been denied by some, it is said that Lieutenant Kuebler in Castle Sauvage is having trouble with the fellwoods of Forest Sauvage.

Albion: Sister Rhigwyn of the Church of Albion is looking for strong, brave citizens to assist her in recovering a lost artifact of the Church. She has been praying for assistance in the church in Camelot.

Albion: Master Kless of Cotswold Village is seeking someone to help the Academy with a problem it has encountered recently.

Hibernia: The unseelie court has plagued the natives of Hibernia for many years. Some feel it is in their best interest to remain impartial to them. Many try not to cross their path at all. Some even hope to ally themselves with the unseelie court, since they are such a great power. Few know the truth, or the reasons, the unseelie court remains in Hibernia. But players seeking to find knowledge would be wise to seek out their filidh, for some residents of Hibernia have taken it upon themselves to study the unseelie court; others have taken it upon themselves to help rid the land of the unseelie court, seeking assistance from more powerful adventurers; still others simply wish to share their knowledge of the unseelie court, for the small price of a favor.

Frontier Changes

The frontier keep guards at the relic keeps have gone through an overhaul - most have been reassigned to stationary posts and greater numbers now man the keeps.

Arkavr Faste should no longer have a blank Albion guild banner when owned by other realms.

The guard patrols from the frontier keeps have returned to their old aggressive ways.

CRAFTING SYSTEM NOTES

Albion

- Changed Hand Axe Blade to Hand Axe Head
- Change War Axe Blade to War Axe Head

Midgard

- Changed War Cleaver and War Cleaver head skill to be in line with War Cleaver Haft skill

- Changed Torsion Cable leatherworking sub-skill to be correct minimum

- Removed the basic Blunt Arrows from being able to be picked in a consignment, again.

- Dwarven Short Sword hilt recipe icon now the correct icon

- Dwarven Great Sword blade recipe icon now the correct icon

Hibernia

- Changed Pick Hammer Haft skill to be in line with Pick Hammer and Pick Hammer Head

- Changed Torsion Cable leatherworking sub-skill to be correct minimum

- Fixed an issue with leatherworking being tagged as a sub-skill needed for the Sledge Hammer, Pick Hammer, and Hooked Spear

- Staff and Shod Staff recipe icons now the correct icons

Fletching

- Added Crossbows for Albion

- Added Instruments for Albion and Hibernia

News-March 26, 2002-Site changes.

Over the next week, the website will be undergoing major changes. I'm hoping to find the right layout that will allow maximum growth of the information stored on the site.

Links have been moved to their own page and I am currently looking for more links to add. If you have a few favorite DAoC links that are not currently listed on the page, please post them on the forums and I'll add them as soon as possible

-Vidi

News-March 22, 2002-HOUSES! and more.

Info on houses is out! Here's what we know:

Mark announced that Guild Housing would be available to you all by now; obviously it isn't. We decided that we wanted to add many more new nifty features to Guild Housing than were previously planned, which takes longer to implement and test. We will keep you updated

We're adding on to the original design with the following items:

- four house options instead of three, and more house locations per Realm.

- When you right click on a house you'll get information about who owns it, what size it is, whether you can enter it or not. You'll be able to set options on the house to specify if anyone can enter it, a specific list of friends, just your guildmates, etc.

- Houses will be able to be customized by trim color, roof type and color, and material (wood, stone, etc.) You'll be able to add guild banners, guild shields and emblems (on the door) to the house as well.

- Houses will have "levels" (1 - 4), with the higher levels costing more money to maintain. Depending on the level of the house, you'll be able to add upgrades such as porches, vaults, tapestries, carpets, smiths, enchanters, healers, rechargers, Consignment Merchants (to sell items for crafter players).

- the interior of houses will support hooks to hang weapons and objects on the wall (depending on house size), as well as support furniture such as tables and chairs.

- You'll also be able to upgrade a house with a bindstone, crafting tools (forge, lathe, loom, etc.) and a chest for guild storage.
More content is coming as well. new armor types, a HUGE new dungeon, new level 50 quests, and more. Read about it here and SEE it here

-Vidi

News-March 19, 2002-Patch 1.48 scheduled for release today

This is a BIG article hehe. Please read it carefully.

Patch 1.48 will go live on the servers at 8 a.m. eastern time today. tyhe most important changes will be the addition of two new restricted RvR zones and the deletion of Boutny point accumulation in the Battlegrounds.

This is from the Herald:

NEW BATTLEFIELD ZONES

We have added two new restricted RvR battlefield zones, which brings the total number of Battlefields up to 3. Each is restricted by level.

The lowest is for levels 20-24, the second for levels 25-29, and the third is for levels 30-35. The intent of these battlefields is to provide a training ground where lower-level characters can practice and learn RvR tactics without having to worry about higher-level players maurading them. Each Battlefield has been configured to allow each player approximately 100 enemy "kills" before you will no longer be allowed to port there.

The Battlefields:

- Caledonia - levels 30 - 35, Realm rank 1, Realm level up to 9

- Murdaigean - levels 25 - 29, Realm rank 1, Realm level up to 5

- Thidranki - levels 20 - 24, Realm rank 1, Realm level up to 3

The medallion merchant's speech has been updated to reflect the changes within the Battlegrounds. Should you have questions on the function of the portals or which battleground your level/realm rank can travel to, please seek him out.

Also added, Webdisplay options!

All you crafters out there have a choice of displaying your skills on the Hog Herld guildpage. The default setting is undisplayed.

You can change it to allow your name to be displayed by typing in /webdisplay trades

Other important changes to note:

- High level poison damages have been increased. Assassin characters should see an increase in their poison damages.

- There is now a timer on how often you can /say and /yell, twice per second for /say and once per second for /yell. You should only notice this if you are using a macro.

- "Camp bonuses" have been substantially upped in dungeons. Now camp bonuses in dungeons are, on average, 20% higher than outside camp bonuses.

- Characters can now have 16 total buffs on them at any one time. Previously, they could have 20; now the "extra" 4 buff slots are reserved for debuffs/poisons/dots and other "enemy" effects.

- You can no longer fire arrows or cast spells through the terrain - such as "underneath" through a hill into a keep.

- Previously, Guild Emblems were displaying backwards on all shields. This has been fixed.

- The drop rates for epic monsters in Raumarik has been substantially increased. Happy hunting!
Thats ALOT of stuiff and not even half of it. IMPORTANT: The RvR damage reduction is NOT going live with this patch. Mythic has decided to continue to test it rather than go live with it. You should NOT see a reduction in RvR damage at this time.

-Vidi

News-March 19, 2002-Congratulations!

As of this morning, HoG is ranked 42 over all. Now we were all out last night so I expect us to move up a little more as well once last nights numbers are added. We were 46 just a few days ago. You guys really came through over the last few days. Take a moment and feel proud about your accomplishment.
Our next goal should be getting all our level 30 to 35 characters into the 40s. Once a character has reached level 46 there will be no purple cons on the frontier at all. At that point, you can compete with ANYONE ( practically ) out on the frontier and then we can start to farm more bounty points and enjoy that aspect of the game even further.

-Vidi

News-March 15, 2002-GRATS! Two members make good!

Two of our guild members have done so well in the realm rankings they deserve mention. Kytell Sabien and Gicod Grossenhammer both made the top 25 realm points earners last week for their classes!!! Grats to both of them for their hard work and their dedication to getting the guild the points it needs to meet our goals.

A special mention goes out to Droma Ryn, who missed making the list for Berzerkers by a mere 31 points. That's just one kill more this week, Droma.

Gicod deserves another mention as he is now ranked 25 amoung ALL warriors in our realm!!! Wow, his head is gonna be uberbig now.

This is a new feature on the Herald and I'm proud that HoG was represented in this. Let's all get out there and see if we can't fill those lists full of HoGs.

-Vidi

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